whenbers return at noon easter here on c-span. looking ahead, no votes are planned in the house on thursday to allow members to atten funeral of congressman donald payne jr. in his mewn of newark, new jse he died on april 24 after being hospitalizedor several weeks after a heart attack. and congresswoman marjorie taylor gensays she will call up her motion to remove shows speaker mike johnson next week. she made that announcement during a press cone with representative thomas massie.

miss green: good morning, everyone. thank you for taking the time to come out this morning. it's real easy once you get elected and come to washington, d.c., to put it in cruise control and just go along with the status quo. but that's not why i ran for congress. that's not why i came to washington, d.c. as a matter of fact, i was one of the americans in 2016 that looked at a presidential stage of 17 republican candidates and the only one that stood out to me was donald john trump. the very man that stood out and represented republican voters and americans all over the country that were sick and tired of a republican establishment failing us over and over again. that's why i supported him in 2016. that's why i supported him in 2020. and that's why i support him now. but what happened when president trump became president and the republican majority in the house and the republican majority in the senate is the republican

establishment under paul ryan failed president trump and failed the agunnedda that we wanted -- agenda they wanted to get done. they passed a $1.3 trillion omnibus that did not fund the wall. after we had stood at trump rally, after trump rally and said build the wall. they failed us. they funded the uni party agenda. they funded the status quo that washington, d.c., just wants to keep going and keep going. you know what happened? that's why republicans lost the mid terms in 2018. and nancy pelosi became speaker. republicans didn't fight. they allowed the russia hoax and then what happened? when democrats took over the house it was impeachment number one and the entire war against president trump continued. that war on president trump is the war on the same voters today that are ready to go and vote for that man in november and put

him in the white house in january. and that's exactly what is happening. he's winning poll after poll after poll because he's the only one fighting while republicans in the house and republicans in washington continue to cave and be part of the uni party. mitch mcconnell has a 6% approval rating for a reason. that's because he's caved to the democrats and continued the disgusting business model in washington, d.c., that thrives on forever wars and thrives on building a bigger government and taking away the freedoms bit by bit by bit of americans. republican voters in america, americans all together, gave republicans the house. they gave us the house in 2022. you want to know why? because they were fed up with the democrat agenda that is destroying this country. wide open borders.

an economy that's crashing. freedoms being stolen. covid shutdowns. all the horrors that happened when joe biden took the white house and democrats took full control. that's why we won the house in 2022. but what have we done with it? what are we giving republican voters to vote for? president trump is the reason why people are going to turn out in november. and i'm here fighting every single day to push my party to be a republican-controlled majority that will fight and pass his agenda when he's in the white house in january. right now we are not that republican majority. we have a speaker, mike johnson, that we -- by the way, i elected him. i voted for that man. i have every right to be standing here. it wasn't a choice of america. it was a choice within our republican kw-frpbs --

conference. i voted for mike johnson because his voting record before he became speaker was conservative. he voted against funding ukraine. he was solidly pro-life. he voted to secure the border. he voted to fight against democrats. fight against the witch-hunt against president trump. but once he became speaker he has become a man that none of us recognize. he passed three continuing resolutions. then he finally passed a two-part omnibus that fully funded joe biden's agenda anti-democrat agenda. funded the department of justice that wants to put president trump in jail for the rest of his life, which is a death sentence. mike johnson fully funded the f.b.i. which raided mar-a-lago. and he gave him a brand new building as a gift. pro-life mike johnson funded

full term abortion clinics. funded the transagenda on children. the 70% of americans are completely against on both sides of the aisle. and he fully funded joe biden's open border policies. the number one issue in america. so i entered a motion to vacatebut i didn't call it for . i was controlled. i was responsible. i was being conconscious and chairing about my conference and majority. it was a warning to stop serving the democrats and support our republican conference and support our agenda. and he didn't do it. and we all went home. republican voters everywhere, americans were raging at mike johnson. he doubled down. he didn't change course. he continued. and when we came back he re-authorized fisa. and he was the deciding vote

himself to stop the warrant requirement of fisa. he voted it down. when only six months before that, before speaker, he was for it. that was the second betrayal. and then we all went home and america raged. i was still responsible. i was still patient. and i was still being careful with our republican majority. and then we came back. then we came back. and that's when mike johnson fully joined the disgusting business model of washington, d.c., to fund forever wars. yeah. that's what this is. the uni party is make ukraine great again. the uni party is all about funding every single foreign war. they think this is the business model that needs to be done.

americans do not want to send their hard-earned tax dollars to fund the murder and killing in foreign countries. they are fed up with t and they are screaming it as loud as they possibly can. our economy should not be built on the blood of wars in foreign countries. that's not what our economy should be built on. that's not how you grow jobs in america. that is horrific. it is evil and needs to end. but that's not what the uni party does. that's what they continue. mike johnson fully embraced it. and he funded $61 more billion to ukraine. fund add war in israel while he funded hamas in gaza. how do you support israel when you are funding hamas. gave more money away while our border stays open and today 300 americans will die from

fentanyl. tomorrow 300 americans will die from fentanyl. and the next day 300 more americans will die from fentanyl poisoning because there is a war on america. led by the cartels in mexico. and nobody in washington, d.c. gives a damn and has enough courage to face it. americans are sick of it. sick and tired and fed up. you want to know something? nobody wants to rock the boat in washington, d.c. oh, no. that would be uncomfortable, marjorie. we don't want to face the issues, marjorie. let's just wait and get through the election, margery. let's just assume president trump is going to win. we'll fix it next congress. marjorie. i'm sorry. how many more americans have to die? how many more dead american bodies have to pile up before the house of representatives that's paid for by american tax dollars actually does something about it?

i want to know when this town is going to give a damn about americans. and that's what this is really about. there's one thing i know. there is one thing i know. if we get president trump back in the white house in january of 2025, and we are lucky enough to earn the trust again from voters in america to have a republican majority in this house of representatives, that we have a job to do. we cannot let people down again. we cannot fail president trump. this cannot happen. the maga agenda that i believe in, the make america great again agenda that i support and americans support and the whole reason why republicans are going to turn out and vote in november because they support president trump, we need leaders in the house of representatives that are going to get this done. not working for hakeem jeffries.

not working for joe biden. and not going to be twisted and lulled into continuing the disgusting practices of washington, d.c. mike johnson is not capable of that job. he has proven it over and over again. now we have hakeem jeffries and the democrats coming out embracing mike johnson is with t sloppy kiss. they have endorsed him. they are ready to support him as speaker. they want to keep it going. keep the band together. why? because mike johnson is giving them everything they want. everything they want. every single thing they want. so it's really interesting to me hakeem jeffries has gone through round after round of speaker votes, and we have all witnessed it, haven't we, america? and i want to tell you, i think

it's good that america witnessed all of that. and the democrats said his name over and over again. they said hakeem jeffries, because they wanted to elect him speaker. i find it very satisfying that they are ready to vote for mike johnson. you want to know something? i want to see it happened. and i also want to see recorded votes. i think the american people -- by the way, who i represent, i think the american people need to see a recorded vote of do they -- does congress, does the members of congress support the uni party? is this what they support? i think every member of congress needs to take that vote. and let the chips fall where they may. and so next week i am going to be calling this motion to vacate. absolutely calling it. i can't wait to see democrats go out and support a republican speaker. and have to go home to their primaries and have to run for congress again having supported

a republican speaker. a christian conservative. i think that will play well. i'm excited about it. i also can't wait to see my republican conference show their courage and show who we are. because voters deserve it. is the republican party, have they finally learned their lesson? have they finally heard the message from voters back at home? are they willing to actually fight, or are they just going to keep going along to get along? it's really easy to do that in washington, d.c. i'm going to till at over $34 trillion in debt with millions and millions invading our country, an economy i don't even know is staying afloat because every business i know has been suffering, and people fed up with the drama on television, and fed up with the fighting, and fed up with the bull shoot from washington, d.c., are ready for a republican majority that's ready to support president trump

and his agenda in january of 2025. i am happy to deliver that vote for everyone next week. at this time i'd like to turn it over to my good friend and ally here, thomas massie. and he'll explane his thoughts. thank you -- explain his thoughts. thank you. mr. massie: it's an honor to be here today with one of the hardest fighting, most a*rt particular late members of our republican conference. i think she's gone about this in a very reasonable way. she's given the speaker multiple chances to resign, to lead. instead he's clinging to power by clinging to democrats. what are the three betrayals that he has delivered to our party and the country? the first betrayal was the omnibus bill. under kevin mccarthy we did seven separate spending bills. when mike johnson took over. did we start working on the other five? no. we threw the seven in the trash. all the hard work that we had done. mike johnson disposed of.

and decided to do an omnibus bill. an omnibus bill that spends more than nancy pelosi's omnibus bill. an omnibus bill that builds the f.b.i. a brand new building. meanwhile, we are over here in -- our judiciary committee asking them for answers. they mock us. they thumb their noses at us. and why shouldn't they? if we are going to build them a new building and send them strongly worded letters as if we are going to do something about their i.n.s. lance -- insulence. the second betrayal of mike johnson was fisa. passing fisa without warrants. did he do this in the proper way? no. the authority for the fisa 702 program rests with the judiciary committee. but mike johnson decided to let the intel committee run this program. then when it came, we fought hard in the rules committee. we fought hard in judiciary. we got a vote on the floor on warrants. whether you should have to have a warrant to spy on americans.

this is a actually redundant vote. it should be obvious to anybody that's read the constitution. that you need warrants. and you can say, well, poor mike johnson, he's got such a slim majority. you can't get everything you want. marjorie taylor greene or thomas massie, he has such a slim majority. he was the slim majority that cast the deciding vote that says you can spy on americans without a warrant. it was 212-212. go look it up. he didn't vote on the other amendments. he went out of his way to vote no on that amendment. and was the deciding vote on fisa without warrants. what was the third betrayal? the third and final betrayal? nearly $100 billion for foreign wars. and he just put that on the floor. it started out as a veterans bill torques give veterans better benefits, h.r. 815, chuck schumer struck every word out of it and put a supplemental in it

and sent it to the house. using the rules committee that i sit on but i can't go along with what they did, they pretended like we voted on four is pratt bills. after those votes passed, they changed them to amendments and concurred with the senate bill and sent it back to the senate. this whole thing was preconferenced with chuck schumer. why is it that on all three betrayals the senate didn't change a word of these bills when they went to the senate from the house? it's because mike johnson was doing chuck schumer and joe biden's bidding. they didn't need to change a word on any of these bills. chuck schumer fought against all the amendments. he wanted those bills exactly as mike johnson passed them. exactly as mike johnson had promised. fisa without warrant. an omnibus with a new building for the f.b.i. $100 billion of foreign aid with no border security in it. as ms. greene said our border is

wide open. wide open. this was our last chance for leverage. and the speaker gave it all up. why would hakeem jeffries endorse a republican speaker? aren't they archrivals? what does hakeem jeffries want, after all? he wants an open border. he wanted to increase spending. he wants to take back the majority. and most of all he and the democrat conference here want president trump to lose. who do they think can deliver on all four of those things? mike johnson will deliver these things for them. increase spending, open borders, a loss of our majority, and a loss for president trump. because this is so demote sraeuting here. we sat here and watched total capitulation with the democrats waving flags of another country. not the american flag. you know mike johnson should have brought the white flag in and waved it in front of us. because it was a complete

capitulation. a humiliation, not just to us but to alt american people who pay their tax dollars only to see them go overseas, fund foreign wars, secure other country's borders, without securing our borders. i'm going to challenge my colleagues to think about it this weekend. because as marjorie taylor greene said, we are coming back and we are voting on this next week. and you get to have the choice if you are a republican. are you going to embrace hakeem jeffries like mike johnson has? are you going to embrace the uni party like mike johnson has? when you come back next week. are you going to fight for americans who gave us the majority? and you may say, oh, well, this is lovely bipartisanship. look, you've got hakeem jeffries hugging speaker mike johnson and helping him keep his majority -- keep his seat. the reality is this isn't policy. this isn't like some criminal

justice reform where the left and right can agree. this is about who holds that gavel. right now they are both holding that gavel. they are sharing power about procedures, about what bills will come to the floor, about how long we will debate those bills and which committees are comprised of which members, they are sharing power. now, you may say, i'll close with this, congressman massie, hakeem jeffries just told you he's going to save mike johnson's vacant. why go through with this? it's a futile exercise, why would you go through with this? look, we didn't get elected to make excuses. we didn't get elected to say we shouldn't even try. we got elected to come here and give it our best. and also to impose transparency. what we have seen here is the coming out of the uni party. and it will be consolidated and

it will be transparent and apparent next week to all americans when this vote happens. too many of our colleagues have thrown up their hands in frustration and apathy. we shouldn't even try. let's coast this one out. it's too dangerous to coast this one out. we cannot coast this one out. hakeem jeffries knows if we coast this one out we lose the majority. spending goes up next fall. he knows the border will stay open. and he knows this is going to demote sraeut our boaters -- voters because why should they try? we are not going to give up. we'll fight the uni party. we will have this vote next week. i look forward to it. i've got one last challenge. challenge members of my own conference to think long and hard about whether or not they want to join the uni party next week. we have a leadership team, a team of leaders, from conference chair to whip to majority

leader. why do we have a team? we have a team so that when one of them goes off the rails the others of them can meet with them and say, you are no longer suited for this job. so i challenge the whip, the majority leader, the conference chair, policy chair, everybody in our conference to sit down with mike johnson and have that talk and tell him it's not worth it, mike. it's not worth it to share power with hakeem jeffries just for the vanity of you keeping the title of speaker. it doesn't serve our country t doesn't serve our conference. they need to ask him to resign. that is what they should do. and i challenge them to have that tough discussion. with that, i'll take questions. >> if it fails next week as expected will you continue to try to force a vote on this issue?

president trump said he doesn't favor a motion to vacate. aren't you defying the president's wishes? ms. greene: i'm the biggest supporter of president trump and i proudly wear this maga hat. that's why i'm fighting here against my own republican conference to fight harder against the democrats. mike johnson has fully funded the department of justice had a wants to put president trump in jail giving him a death sentence. he fully fund the f.b.i. that raided mar-a-lago and gave them a brand new building. he fully funded biden's wide open border. i know everybody knows, the american people know and every voter ready to line up and vote for president trump in november knows between me and mike johnson who is supporting president trump and his agenda. and that is absolutely me. number one. if this vote fails the whole conference, the whole congress supports the uni party, let me tell you something, that is not a failure. it's a win for the american people because that's a list of names. and the voters and the american

people who pay for -- we are standing on ground they pay for. they pay for that building. they deserve that list. i believe in recorded votes. that is our job. our job is to vote. and if anyone is scared of where they are going to vote on a motion to table or if it goes further, then they don't belong here in washington. they have to be ready to do the hard job. >> and why next week? ms. greene: we have to have a republican majority in january. under mike johnson's leadership we are not going to have one. because republican voters, just like thomas massie just said, hakeem jeffries is endorsing mike johnson because he knows mike johnson's leadership is going to hand the house majority to the democrats in january. it will make our voters not want to vote for him. they are going to turn out and vote for president trump top of the ticket. and then they are going to skip republican house members because they are disgusted with mike

johnson and his leadership. his speakership and the uni party. that's exactly why we have to do this. we have to win in november. we have to have a majority in the house. you want to know why? all you people, your taxes are going to go up if the democrats control the house. that's right. the whole tax cut -- president trump's tax cuts and savings plan, guess what? it expires this year. and whoever controls the house of representatives if it's mike johnson and hakeem jeffries holding hands together, your taxes are going up, ladies and gentlemen. and you want to know what stphels your money is going to be funding ukraine because they already want more money for ukraine. they are demanding it already. that check cleared and it wasn't even a week and they said ukraine's going to need more money by the end of the summer. that's what's going to continue. americans don't want it. everybody needs the weekend to prepare. i'm not irresponsible. i care about my conference.

i have been measured. i have given this time. i have given warning after warning after warning. and that's why if we don't have to rush. we can do it tph-bgs week -- next week. mr. massie: i think this is a somber decision for mike johnson. he deserves a weekend to think about t he should resign. because he knows what's coming next week. what's coming is his sharing of power with hakeem jeffries. now, i'm actually not going to concede that the vote will fail. i think hakeem had to step out in front and get in front of this freight train because he was afraid he didn't have enough democrats who would save mike johnson. i don't think it's something he wanted to do. because now it's going to happen. he's going to embrace mike johnson, and the question is will there be enough democrats to overcome the republicans who come to their sense this is weekend? they have a weekend to think

about t more importantly mike johnson has a weekend to think about it. >> if this resolution is tabled on monday, will you continue to force votes on it? ms. greene: i haven't made a decision on that yet. >> how do you respond to speaker johnson who last night said you were not a serious lawmaker? if not speaker johnson, who should be holding that gavel? ms. greene: i'm not into personal attacks. that's not why i'm doing this. this has nothing to do with mike johnson as a person. but this is about his job performance. and i believe in accountability. i voted for mike johnson as speaker. every single day when i'm out and about talking to folks in my district or traveling across the country, the one phrase i hear over and over again is, keep fighting. keep fighting. they do not want us to back down. they do not want us to just put it in cruise control and go

along to get along. that is what that is. that's exactly what that is. that is full surrender. full surrender to the very agenda that voters all over america said enough. and in 2022 they gave us the majority to stop the democrat agenda. so i'm not going to surrender. as thomas massie said, when they were waiving the ukraine flag on the united states house of representatives' floor, that is complete surrender. doing nothing for our border. nothing for our border. but securing the border of foreign countries and continuing to fund the slaughter and the battlefields and the bombs, and the horrific injuries and wiping out a full generation of ukrainian men that will leave women as widows, children as orphans. the american people don't want to pay for that. that's what mike johnson is for.

we have people -- mr. massie: that charge is leveled for mike johnson against marjorie taylor greene. you are saying he said she's not a serious lawmaker. is that right? >> an interview. mr. massie: she's the most serious representative up here. if you listen to the speech that she just gave, she captured exactly what republicans back home are thinking. they are tired of the swamp. what does it mean to speaker mike johnson to be a serious lawmaker? i think it means something different now than it meant six months ago or a year ago when he was a rank anne file member -- rank-and-file member. being a serious lawmaker means betraying our conference. going with the majority of democrats and abandoning a majority of republicans. i don't think that's a serious speaker. i also don't think it's a serious constitutionalist to cast the deciding vote on whether you need a warrant to spy on americans and getting rid of the warrant provision. i think he needs to look in a

mirror before he criticizes ms. marjorie taylor greene. >> given the speaker's situation, ran through joe biden's agenda, would there be a difference between hakeem jeffries as speaker -- ms. greene: you clearly hissen to people more than this town. that's what people are saying everywhere. it's all over the internet in comments. it's being said in coffee shops. it's being said you go to the town square, that's what people are talking. what is the difference? what is the difference between mike johnson and hakeem jeffries? people are saying that they see no difference. there is no difference. because mike johnson has -- is sharing the gavel. they are holding it together. and mike johnson is not fighting. he's giving hakeem jeffries full power. that's why hakeem jeffries has given him the biggest endorsement of his lifetime.

that's the last thing american people wanted to see. mr. massie: on that point about sharing power. it wasn't just hakeem jeffries who endorsed mike johnson. it was their whip and it was their caucus chair. their entire leadership team plans on get ago promotion in january thanks -- getting a promotion in january thanks to mike johnson. where is our leadership team? they need to be as united as hakeem's team is. and they need to surround mike johnson and say, mike, it's time to leave. >> congresswoman, the last time it took two weeks for you to coalesce around a speaker to get someone who wanted to be speaker. who do you have in mind this time around to keep congress from shutting down. ms. greene: i'm not naming names. anybody that's willing to fight for our agenda. anyone that refuses to share the power with hakeem jeffries. that's something that we are capable of doing.

if we decide to do it. this republican conference can do it. i have matched us do great things. just as thomas massie said before they ousted kevin mccarthy, we passed seven separate appropriation bills. we were passing incredible bills. that lined up exactly with the reason why people voted for us. and once mike johnson took over, he completely stopped it all. we only had five left. he just let them go. that's not what i said. i think -- he's moved on. what our conference is capable of doing is electing someone that is ready and willing to lead. i have full faith and confidence we can do it. we just have to do it. mr. massie: also from the very beginning mike johnson has had the chance to save us from what happened in october. look, he is a lame duck. he's not going to get re-elected in january. he's not going to lead us to any policy wins. he's not going to cut any spending. he is not even going to try.

that is why hakeem wants him to remain speaker. what should he do at this point? he should do what john boehner did. do you remember when john boehner left he gave us notice. instead of not having a speaker, eallowed him to remain speaker while we -- we allowed him to remain speaker while we elected another speaker. it wasn't october when we came in. we had to -- come in every day of every week and we all had the same meeting and we couldn't do subpoenas. we couldn't do investigations. everything came to a stand still. mike johnson alone can save us from that ultimate outcome if he would step down but announce that he's stepping down 10 weeks from now and give us time and allow us to still function as a conference. that's why marjorie put this bill in the hopper. that's why we have collected co-sponsors. and that's why we are giving him one more weekend to think about it.

>> yesterday while he was doing this so close to the election, republicans -- [indiscernible] took three weeks last time. ms. greene: we are not going to have a house majority if we keep mike johnson. it's just not going to happen. here's the other thing. this is may 1. this is may 1. we have all the way until november. that is -- we are going to win the house majority when we prove to our voters we are worth voting for. that's the most important thing that we can do. president trump -- listen, let's say mike johnson stays speaker. the only way that we will get the house majority in november is because president trump drags everybody across the line. and that could happen. but the reality is if people are going to cast their vote, based on this uni party garbage right here, they are just going to vote for the democrats. like this man said, everyone is

saying what's the difference. there is no difference. >> just to be sure. i get you don't name names. the fact of the matter is you have mike johnson because republicans didn't even have a group of names to begin with. do you have a short list in mind right now? are you mulling names? do you have a group of people that you are thinking about? mr. massie: we have mike johnson because nobody hated mike johnson. there was nothing in his prior life or political or private that qualified him for this job. he's a loss ball in tall weeds. he's unequipped to negotiate with chuck schumer. and a lot of people have ideas about why he's betrayed us. it's pretty simple. he's over his head. i would say there are at least a dozen members of our conference who either politically or privately have done things in

their life that qualify them to lead. i would be willing to consider any of them. we don't have a list. >> what do you say to republicans who are saying that you guys are handing it to the democrats. this will cause disunity and they believe -- ms. greene: that little narrative that you echoed is a lie. that comes from the republican establishment. that republican voters are ready to take a sledgehammer to and destroy. they are fed up with it. you want to know why? that's bull. it is. >> a few weeks ago -- [indiscernible] ms. greene: he had another thing he had to attend to. absolutely. >> motion to vacate saying you are respecting the conference by holding this back. how do you explain -- it took a few weeks to elect johnson.

how do you explain another leadership crisis? ms. greene: that's the same question we answered about four times. do you have a different question? mr. massie: i'll answer, again, even though it's been asked, this is the time to clean house. not in october. not in september. when he betrays us with another c.r. or increase another omnibus. now is the time to clean house. there is time. we are not even done with primaries yet. people aren't focused right now on their general elections. they are still trying to win their primaries. this is when we should take out the garbage. take out the trash. solve these problems that we have so that we can be a united conference so that we can have it. somebody in the speaker's chair who has a credible chance of winning speaker in january. hakeem and his cohorts and colleagues may bail out mike johnson next week. that remains to be seen. whether it's a bluff or not. but we know they are not going

to vote for him in january. we know that mike johnson can't get a majority of republicans in january. even our colleagues who aren't co-sponsors of this have privately admitted there is no way in hell they are going to vote for mike johnson to be speaker in january. that's why we need to handle it now. put somebody in that seat who can lead our conference and present a united front to republicans who are going to go vote in november. >> are you considering running for speaker? ms. greene: everybody, we'll end the press conference. what i'm calling on is like my colleague here said, mike johnson can do some really -- can he pray about it. think about it all weekend. do the rile thing. and resign. giving our conference time to elect a new leader. a new speaker of the house. he should reject the endorsement of hakeem deaf -- jeffries and the entire leadership team.

that is not an endorsement any speaker should want or embrace. this vote will be called next week and i urge my colleagues to prepare for it. it's the right thing to do for america. it's time to clean house. and get our conference in order. and get ready to support president trump's agenda. god willing he wins in november. and we take back full power here in washington in january. thank you very much, everyone. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2024] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy visit ncrg] >> house speaker mike johnson has responded to congresswoman marjorie taylor greene's plans to call for a vote next week to remove him by saying, this motion is wrong for the republican conference, wngor the institution, andro for the country. according to c-span's capitol hill producer craig kaplan, the motiono vacate will be a privileged resolution. on cgresswoman greene calls up the resolution, there will be up to two days fo the vote takes place.

house democrats have already announced they plan to vote to table or kill the motion. >> c-span is your unfiltered view of government. we are funded by these television companies and more. including buckeye broadband. ♪ >> buckeye broadband supports c-span as a public service. along with these other television providers. giving you a front row seat to democracy. the conversation nown student protests past and present. our guest is history professor angus johnston, who studies student activism. on the scope of the protests over the war in gaza, how do

they compare to other student protests of the 21st century and how do they compare to the vietnam protests in the 1960's and 1970's? guest: we are nowhere near the level of scale of the vietnam war protests yet. the thing that is extraordinary about this wave of protests is not just the number of a protests we are seeing in the number of students who are participating in them, but the incredible pace of acceleration we have seen. these have gone from something fairly small to something sweeping the country and continuing to grow in the space of two weeks. host: why the timing of this? obviously the war in gaza has been going on since early october. why is this happening now and why have the past two weeks been such a focal point? guest: it is clear that columbia university's decision to weeks ago thursday to send the police

and shut down the encampment sparked a response among students around the country. we began to see a lot of reactions to that. as it got more media attention as people started hearing about them, they continued to snowball. we have seen that in the past, including in the 19 60's and earlier. there seems to be a particular level of intensity of the student response around the country this time. i have some theories but i don't think we fully understand it yet. host: what are your theories? guest: this is an issue a lot of students feel strongly about. we are in an era where images from war and violence across the world are things that we not only see in our living rooms on television but on our screens on social media and so on. i also think we need to start thinking about the fact that

this is the post-covid generation of american students. it just about every underground -- undergrad on campuses now stted college after the covid at lockdowns. this is the first post-pandemic or post lockdown wave of american student protests. i think that suggests intere sting -- interesting things about what is going on. host: how much did you watch of the police clearing out students from hamilton hall in overnight seeing violence between protesters and country protesters in l.a.? the l.a. police department moved into separate the two of them. guest: i was watching in new

york and listening to the columbia student radio station. i found an old fm radio i found somewhere. the images and certainly the columbia images in the columbia college arrests and violence were very troubling. the thi that really struck me was what was going on at ucla, where the encampment at ucla was raided by country protesters with violence. it took hours for the police to be called in and once the police were called in according to the los angeles times, they stood and watched as country protesters were firing off some sort of tear grass -- teargas kind of thing or pepper spray and fireworks and in physical altercations with the demonstrators as well. host: in terms of what we are

seeing, there was a caller in the first segment that said in the 1960's we weren't waving vietnamese flags, we were waiting piece flags. -- peace flags. she didn't understand why they were flying palestinian flags. compared to the past, what are you finding? guest: we really do miss remember a lot about the 1960's. it is a cultural memory we have of what was going on in the 1960's is in many cases different from what happened. during the vietnam war protests, there were people waving north vietnamese flags. there were students chanting viet cong is going to win. and hey, hey, lbj, how many kids did you kill today?